Transgender Children Supreme Court Case Threatens Parents Rights.

What if the government's reach extended into your home, dictating the medical decisions you make for your child? Join us on The Ryan Samuels Show as we navigate the controversial Tennessee law that blocks minors from accessing gender-affirming care, now a focal point of a Supreme Court battle. We dissect the layers of this heated debate, from the motivations of parents and the autonomy of transgender children to the role of state intervention in personal decisions. Our discussion draws parallels with other age-restricted activities like tattoos and drinking, questioning where the line should be drawn between parental authority and government oversight.

This episode also examines the broader implications of the case, touching on sex discrimination and the cultural anxieties surrounding transgender healthcare. We critique the politicized atmosphere that frames transgender rights within the larger political landscape, including the impact of figures like Donald Trump and the advocacy of the Biden administration. With comparisons to landmark cases like Bostock, we explore the constitutional principles at play and consider how shifts in policy might unfold with changes in political leadership. Tune in for a thought-provoking exploration of the challenges facing the transgender community today and the potential consequences of the Court's decision.

Chapters

• 0:28 Supreme Court Case on Trans Kids
• 15:41 Supreme Court Case on Trans Discrimination
• 26:07 Supreme Court Case on Trans Healthcare

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Samuels, hello Patriots, good day to all of you. Big news, absurd news, as always. There's just never a shortage of nonsense news from the liberal media, or from just liberals. I mean, they're so insanely out of touch that they are challenging a Tennessee law that prevents minors from castrating themselves because they feel they're, you know, trans or non-binary or whatever the, the gender fluid ideology of the woke mind virus penetrated this child's mind. The law basically says that, uh, parents can tell doctors, no, we're, we're not transitioning my child, which is, I think, very fair. Um, just like a parent can say you know, no, you're not amputating my child's leg, we're gonna get another opinion. But what this? Um supreme court case, what they want to do? And there's this lawyer, uh, chase strangio literally the name, by the way, and we're going to watch a video of her in a minute. She is a person who believes that she's a man, even though she's just clearly not. We're going to get into that. We're going to watch a Democracy Now video, which is just always amazing. Democracy Now is just an absolutely atrocious organization that um never really uh comes to any hard conclusion, just a um left-wing, psychopathic version of the democratic party. But before we go any further. You know the routine hit. Hit that like, share and subscribe button. Visit RyanFSamuelscom. Buy some cool merch, leave a comment down below, go to BuyMeACoffeecom, backslash Ryan F Samuels and donate to the show and we'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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Here is an article from npr um that is about the supreme court hearing. This is an actual supreme court hearing. The supreme court is going to decide whether or not parents have the right to not transition their children, or if the government has the right to steal those children from the parents and go ahead and transition them anyway. This is from npr. Supreme court here is challenged to law banning gender affirming care for trans kids. The front and center of the supreme court on wed Wednesday is the battle over the rights of transgender children, at issue as a state law in Tennessee that blocks minors from accessing gender affirming care in the state. In the last three years, more than two dozen states have enacted laws that ban puberty blockers, hormones and other treatments for minors seeking gender affirming care. The issue has become highly politicized highly politicized, as anyone who watched the election ads this fall can attest.

Speaker 1: 5:37

Challenging tennessee's law in the supreme court are three trans kids and their parents. First of all, a child cannot challenge a law. The parents are challenging the law because the parents get brownie points if their kid is trans. That's why you see so many in hollywood. Oh yeah, like all the trans kids are in hollywood, lw, as she is known in legal documents, is one of them.

Speaker 1: 6:04

People make assumptions. They say it's just a phase, because they don't know what it's like. Lww says of her experience it can certainly feel pretty hopeless, especially given how slow the process is. Her mother, samantha Williams, partially disagrees, stressing the need for caution. We kept saying we wouldn't be good parents if we weren't taking our time. She says it took nearly a year for LW to get the go but LW's mom says that at 15, her once troubled child is an easy and happy teenager now that she is getting access to treatments for gender dysphoria yeah, gender dysphoria. She looked it up in a DSM-5. The medications, however, are now illegal for minors in Tennessee where the family lives, so they have to drive out of state 10 hours round trip for LW to get the drugs for her transition. So she can still get them, but they just want to be able to go to the local store. I guess, why don't you just move out of state? I mean, that's the beauty of the United States, just move 10 hours away.

Speaker 1: 7:09

Tennessee State Senator Jack Johnson introduced the challenge bill which bans access to hormones, puberty blockers and other treatments for trans kids in Tennessee. For Johnson, the law is just another example of the state exercising its regulatory power. You can't get a tattoo in Tennessee unless you're 18. You can't smoke, you can't drink, he observes. Tennessee regulates a number of different types of medical procedures, johnson says, adding that it felt like this was the best public policy to present kids suffering from irreversible consequences, things that cannot be undone, correct? If you get a tattoo when you're a minor, it's irreversible. It cannot be undone. Well, nowadays it can, but you still can't get one when you're a minor. It's irreversible, it cannot be undone. Well, nowadays it can, but you still can't get one, even if you identify as a 40-year-old, fully tattooed kitten.

Speaker 1: 8:01

Those challenging the Tennessee law counter that the ban violates constitutional guarantee to equal protection under the law. That's absurd. The law bars access to treatment for kids who want to transition from their sex assigned at birth, but permits those same medications to be used when treating minors suffering from other conditions like endometriosis and other onset puberty. Yeah, that's different. So if a boy who's supposed to have testosterone doesn't have enough testosterone, yeah, they can give him testosterone, but you can't give a female child absurd amounts of testosterone just to fulfill their delusion. Yeah, that's correct, right? You can't do that.

Speaker 1: 8:49

Aclu lawyer Chase Strangio, the first openly trans lawyer to argue in front of the Supreme Court, represents the kids and their parents, he argues. She argues that these are commonly used medication and Tennessee bans them from one and only one purpose. Strangio says that the language of the statute telegraphs the real purpose of the band. Specifically, the statute encourages minors to appreciate their sex and bans treatments that might encourage minors to be disdainful of their sex. This is the problem. Is is when they get older they sometimes they have regrets Not all the time. A lot of times it's. It's. Some of the times it's warranted. Gender dysphoria the treatment is to transition sometimes, but a lot of times it's not. The government of Tennessee is displacing the decision-making of loving parents who follow the recommendations of doctors. Strangio says. At the end of the day, the law is tailored to one and only one interest, which is to enforce tennessee's preference that adolescents conform to their birth sex.

Speaker 1: 9:55

Although the tennessee legislature did hear testimony from individual doctors in support of the band, all of the major medical associations that deal with gender dysphoria have filed briefs supporting these treatments for trans kids, including the american American Medical Association, of course, because they get paid buku bucks to do these treatments, the American Academy of Pediatrics and the American Psychiatric Association. Long-term impact, but critics of the treatment say that science is very unsettled in terms of long-term implications. You've got countries in Western Europe that are far ahead of use of terms that these medicines, says senator johnson, this is to chemically castrate a child who's not mentally capable to grasp common core math is um absurd. To give them this level of decision making? Yes, okay, you make the argument that the parents are are making the decision with the advice of doctors.

Speaker 1: 10:59

Doctors do things nowadays for one reason and one reason only, and that is for the money that they make. So if it is profitable, they're going to do it. It's it's. It's an ugly side of capitalism. I mean, you see it everywhere. Um, they're going to do what's in their own best interest. People move in their own self-interest and, uh, that's, that's the issue what's?

Speaker 1: 11:20

what's the issue with waiting until you're 18? What's what if you're 15? You can't wait three years. You've waited 15 years. You can't wait through. Like, why is there such a high-level sense of urgency to get these things done? It's going to happen and you'll be able to do it when you're an adult. But there have been countless examples of children who have transitioned, that have seriously regretted it, and that's the main issue that Tennessee is trying to say that they need to wait until they're legal and then they can do it. They're not trying to ban it and saying no, nobody can transition. They're trying to stop and protect children from regret. Here is the report from Democracy Now. I watched like a minute of it and then I said I was going to save it for the show because I don't like to watch the videos. This is a notoriously left-wing operation, but you're going to see just Chase Strangio and the name is just amazing.

Speaker 5: 12:25

This is Democracy Now. Democracynoworg, the War and Peace Report. I'm Amy Goodman with Juan Gonzalez. When incoming Republican President Donald Trump returns to office, he's vowed to target the LGBTQIA community.

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Our next guest will be a key figure in challenging this. We're 20 seconds in and that's a blatant lie. He's not targeting or attacking any community.

Speaker 5: 12:56

Next week, Chase Strangio will make history as the first openly transgender lawyer to make oral arguments before the Supreme Court as the justices consider Tennessee's ban on gender-affirming hormone therapies for transgender minors. The case argues the ban is a form of sex discrimination. Last week, the Republican House Speaker, Mike Johnson, announced a policy banning transgender people from using some Capitol restrooms that correspond to their gender. Using some Capitol restrooms that correspond to their gender. This came after Republican Congress member Nancy Mace introduced a resolution to ban transgender women from using women's restrooms at the Capitol, then posted about it more than 300 times in just a matter of a few days.

Speaker 1: 13:45

OK, we covered this on this show. She banned biological men from women's bathrooms.

Speaker 5: 13:55

That's normal, that's okay On social media. This follows the election of Delaware Democrat Sarah McBride as the first openly transgender Congress member. Mcbride dismissed the Capitol bathroom bans as a distraction during a recent interview on CBS.

Speaker 4: 14:13

Some members of the small Republican conference majority decided to get headlines and to manufacture a crisis.

Speaker 1: 14:29

There was no crisis manufactured. Women don't want to be in the bathroom with a grown man. They don't want you taking a dump in the stalls next to them while they're trying to pee. Nobody wants that dude.

Speaker 5: 14:40

Chase Strangio joins us now. Co-director of the American Civil Liberties Union's LGBT Okay this is Chase Strangio.

Speaker 1: 14:46

That's a real person that you're looking at. Look at that mustache. Liberties, unions, LG. Okay, this is. This is chase strange Yo. That's a real person that you're looking at. Look at that mustache Like that's clearly a woman who's pretending to be a man. But this person's an attorney who's going to the Supreme court, who's going to fight for the right for children to do this to themselves.

Speaker 5: 15:11

Supreme Court. Who's going to fight for the right for children to do this to themselves? Gbtq and HIV project. In a week again, he becomes the first openly transgender lawyer to argue a case before the Supreme Court. Looking at Tennessee welcome to Democracy. Now there's a lot to discuss here. Why don't we begin with this case in which you're going to make history?

Speaker 6: 15:29

Well, good to see you, Amy. Thank you for having me. We are— AMY.

Speaker 1: 15:32

GOODMAN, you hear the voice Like you're a woman.

Speaker 6: 15:36

AMY GOODMAN —before the Supreme Court at this moment, when transgender people are under so much scrutiny. And this comes on the tale of 24 states banning evidence-based medicine for transgender adolescents, and that is why we are before the Supreme Court now. One of those states is Tennessee. Tennessee has categorically banned medical treatment for adolescents only when that treatment is prescribed in a manner that Tennessee considers inconsistent with a person's sex. So what we're arguing before the Supreme Court is that, look, this is a simple example of sex discrimination, Our clients. So if you take, for example, a transgender adolescent boy, he cannot receive testosterone to live consistent with his male identity because he was assigned female at birth. Had he been assigned male at birth, he could receive that same medication for that same purpose. That is sex discrimination.

Speaker 1: 16:26

And it's such a horrible argument. It's the only argument that she can make is sex discrimination. And it's such a horrible argument. It's the only argument that she can make is sex discrimination. But biologically, the boy needs the testosterone, right? So, yeah, you do medical treatments based on how you are at birth, right? If I go to the emergency room and they find out I'm in a male, they're not going to look to see if I'm pregnant when they're about to do a surgery on my spine or whatever Like. There is a medical, legitimate, medical reasons why you do medical procedures a certain way towards men and women because we are biologically different.

Speaker 6: 17:12

Tennessee has to justify it, which the district court concluded that Tennessee just simply did not. The courts across the country that have actually looked at the evidence have repeatedly found that the claims about the harms of this treatment just do not hold up to even the slightest bit of scrutiny. But of course, we lost in the appellate court. We're now before the Supreme Court making the case that this is just a plain and simple example of sex discrimination, and the fact that it's sex discrimination against trans people doesn't make it any less unconstitutional.

Speaker 3: 17:44

And Chase. This comes in the—in a period when the Republican Party used anti-trans ads throughout the presidential campaign. I'm wondering your reaction to the impact of those ads around the country.

Speaker 1: 18:02

So, before we get to the ads, they're just obviously trying to tie this somehow to Trump. The Supreme Court just overturned Roe versus Wade, not because they felt that Roe versus Wade was morally wrong even though it is, I feel that it is. They overturned it because the federal government didn't have the right to make that law. So the Supreme Court is not about to pass a national trans law because that's what the precedents would set. If the Supreme Court came back and said no, the state cannot stop parents and children and doctors from transitioning minors, then that means no state can do that. They would have massive consequences. Means no state can do that. It would have massive consequences.

Speaker 6: 18:50

Yeah, it is astonishing to think about $250 million that have been spent, focused on a group that represents less than 1% of the population. I think it comes out to almost $100 to $200 per trans person in the United States, and obviously there's sort of two fundamental things that happen as a result of those ads. The first is just the impact on trans people ourselves. We are living in a climate in which we are being demonized, in which we are being blamed for structural failures of this country. I talk about scapegoating. If you're blaming trans people for everything, from you know changes in education to school shootings to— Nobody's blaming you for everything from you know changes in education to school shootings to.

Speaker 1: 19:32

Nobody's blaming you for everything, nobody's demonizing you, nobody's saying that you can't exist. Everybody's saying stay away from the children, leave the kids alone. You can do whatever you want to do and, as an adult, if you want to transition, transition Perfect. But you can't use a different bathroom. You still have to use the bathroom from your assigned birth, or use a family bathroom, use a community bathroom. There are plenty of places I go to the bathroom and it's men and women's bathrooms, I'm pretty sure almost every place. Well, big places anyway, if you Like, or you're afraid you're going to be outed, or you're afraid it's going to be because, essentially, if you're identifying as a woman and you go to the mall and you walk in the male bathroom, now everybody knows around you hey, that's actually a guy and you don't want to be outed for you want to assist in your further delusion to changing gender norms across the board.

Speaker 6: 20:35

So that's one aspect of this, and then the other is that this rhetoric—and, I will say, the post-election legitimizing of it by Democrats—is what creates the policy realities that we're living under. The policy realities where you have 550 anti-trans bills introduced in a single year, resulting in the stripping away of healthcare that people rely on, resulting in Representative Mace targeting transgender people's ability to access restrooms in federal buildings. This is—.

Speaker 6: 21:04

Nobody targeted anybody —is a cascading reality of material harm for our community, on top of the rhetorical and cultural harms that it is bestowing upon us.

Speaker 5: 21:16

I want to play a clip from one of Trump's presidential campaign TV ads for those who didn't see it.

Speaker 1: 21:23

So we're here to talk about the Supreme Court case on democracy now, and then somehow this turns into an anti-Trump thing. When the Tennessee lawmakers have nothing to do with Donald Trump, yeah, sure, they're a member of the same party, but Donald Trump didn't pass this law. Donald Trump didn't encourage them to pass this law.

Speaker 5: 21:39

Now they have to somehow turn this on Donald Trump A particular one with transphobic messaging that aired I think it was over 15,000 times.

Speaker 2: 21:52

Homeless support.

Speaker 6: 21:52

taxpayer-funded sex changes for prisoners Surgery for prisoners for prisoners, Every transgender inmate in the prison system would have access.

Speaker 2: 22:04

No, I don't want my taxpayer dollars going to that. Kamala supports transgender sex changes in jail with our money. Kamala even supports letting biological men compete against our girls and their sports. Kamala is for they them, President Trump is for you.

Speaker 6: 22:19

I'm Donald J Trump and I approve this message.

Speaker 5: 22:22

Kamala is for they them Donald.

Speaker 1: 22:24

How is that anti-transition? It's saying that we don't. It's not even saying we don't think anybody should transition. It is clearly saying we don't want taxpayer dollars paying for people to transition in prison. It is also saying that we do not want men and women sports. That's all it's saying. It's not anti-trans. It's not demonizing anybody.

Speaker 5: 22:51

Trump is for you, and yesterday Kamala Harris spoke and a bunch of the senior members of her staff spoke out on Pod Save America, and a lot of the discussion in that conversation was about how they dealt with these ads. I'm very interested, chase, as you say that you are faulting the Democrats and how they're dealing with this, that they are normalizing this. Explain.

Speaker 6: 23:14

Well, so it's not even that they're normalizing it. What they're saying is that the Harris campaign did too much to support trans people, which is a hard pill to swallow, since they did nothing. You know, kamala Harris did not respond to the ads.

Speaker 5: 23:28

She did not make any affirmative statements in support of trans people throughout the— I mean that's very interesting because apparently they floated the ad first the Republicans to see if there would be a response. When there was dead silence, they just went for it.

Speaker 6: 23:44

Yeah, so they went for it. And then, in the aftermath of the election, you have this postmortem, in which you have Democrats you know, pundits, as well as politicians speaking out and saying well, part of why the Harris campaign lost is because they were too supportive of trans people. And but what?

Speaker 1: 24:04

they're not saying that they're too supportive of trans people. They're talking about the Democratic Party, that the whole notion that a child can be castrated is okay, or the whole notion that a biological man in men's sports can be okay, or the notion that a biological man can drop a massive shit in a stall next to a biological woman is okay, and that woman is. Society is supposed to force them to accept that and be okay with that. That that's that's what they're saying. That the democratic party completely went off the rails and that's why they lost, because the majority of the country does not support you. They don't support what you stand for. They don't support that. They leave the children alone. Man, that is the biggest political mistake anybody can make is to go after kids, and that's what these, that's what these people are doing they do nothing, and so the the obvious, you know, takeaway from that is well, they should have just joined in the attacks.

Speaker 6: 25:08

They should have said yes, it is. Of course we should exclude trans girls from sports. Of course we should deny people in government custody of medical treatment. These are constitutional norms that they are sensationalizing because—and playing into people's misunderstanding about trans people and our bodies, and they played on that misinformation and they played on that fear in a campaign that was both about trans people and also about gender more broadly, and what trans people represented in that was the instability of gender roles that were causing so much anxiety. I mean, that's why you saw Vice President-elect Vance talking about the role of postmenopausal women is to care for children, childish cat ladies, you know, should—you know, or whatever else he said about that to demonize people who aren't playing the proper gender roles. It wasn't just about trans people. Trans people were a very specific focus, but this was a broader commentary on an approach to gender that is regressive and dangerous for everyone.

Speaker 3: 26:07

And Chase in your arguments on the Tennessee case before the Supreme Court—.

Speaker 1: 26:11

Oh, we're back to it now.

Speaker 3: 26:12

What do you—especially given the large conservative majority on this court? What will you be looking for in terms of the kinds of questions that the justices will ask, or what hope you might have of swaying some of the conservative justices?

Speaker 6: 26:28

Yeah. So you know, at the end of the day, this really is a simple argument about a law that tells us 10 times over on its face that it's about sex. It says you can't do something if it's inconsistent with your sex. And Tennessee comes in and says well, that's not really about sex. But that sounds a lot like the arguments that the employers raised in the case of Bostock, where the question was is it because of sex? Who fires someone for being transgender?

Speaker 1: 26:55

and so if I want female, you know, birth control surgically inserted in my body. If I went to a doctor and said I want my my tubes tied, my fallopian tubes tied, and the doctor said, well, no, that's only available to people who have fallopian tubes. Oh so then it's sexism. That's sexist because you're providing it for the other sex and not for me. That's like the equivalent of the argument that this person is making. I'm surprised the Supreme Court is taking this up. There's no way that they're going to. I mean, we'll see. The Supreme Court has made shocking calls in the past. Roe versus Wade was one of them. Plenty of them. They ruled in favor of slavery at one time and segregation. They've made bad calls before. So I mean, we'll see, but I do not anticipate this going anywhere.

Speaker 6: 27:57

That was a conservative majority court that said six to three that that is because of sex, that if you are firing someone because they are transgender, that means you are firing someone assigned male at birth because they identify as a woman and you are not firing someone assigned female at birth because they identify as a woman and you are not firing someone assigned female at birth because they identify as a woman. The same is true here. We're making that same argument. We think it is as clear in this context as it was in Vostok, and our hope is that the cultural anxiety about trans people, the demonization of our healthcare, is not going to sway the justices from applying straightforward constitutional principles that have been applied for 50 years.

Speaker 5: 28:40

So you're arguing this case—this is unusual, isn't it—alongside the Biden administration.

Speaker 6: 28:46

So it is not totally unusual. You often have a situation where private parties will bring a case and the United States will intervene, or the United States can weigh in at the Supreme Court as amicus. What is a little bit unusual here is that you really have us as co-equal parties. In this case, we are splitting the time with the.

Speaker 1: 29:03

You were selected by the Biden administration to take this to the Supreme Court. It's like the reality of what happened. They wanted to challenge this case because they're lunatics and they hand selected this trans person from Tennessee to go ahead and do this case.

Speaker 6: 29:21

Solicitor General going first and I will go after her and making this argument both of us that this is a law that violates the Equal Protection Clause and that the the court, if it is going to faithfully apply its precedents that say that when a government discriminates based on sex, that it is the government's burden, it's Tennessee's burden to show that the statute that they've passed is constitutional, and they have failed to do that. So we are in it together up until January 20th.

Speaker 5: 29:49

And then what happens? I mean, is there any possibility that this wouldn't happen by January 20th, and then the Trump administration would not be there next to you?

Speaker 6: 29:57

So that's absolutely right. We fully expect the Trump administration to switch positions. That is not unusual. Also, there will be other cases in which the administration switches positions. This case was originally brought by the transgender adolescents and their parents, who we represent, against the Tennessee officials who are charged with enforcing this law that bans their health care. The parties will still be there. There's no reason why the court would in any way be stripped of jurisdiction, so we move forward past January 20th. It's up to the Supreme Court, of course, what happens next.

Speaker 5: 30:28

I want to go back to.

Speaker 1: 30:30

And we'll see how that all plays out. Again, I don't anticipate there to be any landmark ruling, but you know there would be. I mean, I would be very surprised. I don't think that that's going anywhere. I think, again, it's a waste of time. It's a waste of taxpayer money. We have states for a reason. If you do not like the laws in the state that you live in, you're more than free to travel to states that fit your mindset right, that fit your political philosophy or how or what freedoms you think that you should have. You don't have the freedom to castrate an innocent child. I'm sorry, you know that's. That's absurd. When the child is an adult, they're free to castrate themselves. It's just it opens it up for way too much abuse. But make sure you hit that like, share and subscribe button. We will follow this story closely. The the supreme court is going to be extremely reluctant um to rule in this favor. This is just something that frankly, I don't think is going to happen. I will be um very surprised if it does. Make sure you hit that like, share and subscribe button.

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